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	<title>Comments on: Government Seized $24 Million From E-bullion and Incorrect Case Facts Saturate The Internet!!</title>
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		<title>By: Paddy Smuts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paddy Smuts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have $11000 in e-Bullion. is this money now lost forever or are there channels one can go through to put in a claim for one&#039;s own money?
Regards
Paddy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have $11000 in e-Bullion. is this money now lost forever or are there channels one can go through to put in a claim for one&#8217;s own money?<br />
Regards<br />
Paddy</p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an account with e-bullion, I DID NOT KNOW I EVEN HAD. They sent me a Cryptocard and I can&#039;t use it. I just want to close my account and recoup as much as possible. CAN ANYONE HELP PLEASE??
                                     THANKS, VINCE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an account with e-bullion, I DID NOT KNOW I EVEN HAD. They sent me a Cryptocard and I can&#8217;t use it. I just want to close my account and recoup as much as possible. CAN ANYONE HELP PLEASE??<br />
                                     THANKS, VINCE</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has any new news come forth?  I am an account holder that had my entire life savings in e-bullion.  I have no job and cannot access my funds.  What is our remedy?  Anyone??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has any new news come forth?  I am an account holder that had my entire life savings in e-bullion.  I have no job and cannot access my funds.  What is our remedy?  Anyone??</p>
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		<title>By: frances</title>
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		<dc:creator>frances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have a lot of money in e-bullion,but,to my surprise they went off on 5th of august 2008,now can i get my money back from them,or what we be the solution to the problem.thanks, from nigeria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have a lot of money in e-bullion,but,to my surprise they went off on 5th of august 2008,now can i get my money back from them,or what we be the solution to the problem.thanks, from nigeria.</p>
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		<title>By: samantha mo</title>
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		<dc:creator>samantha mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All sounds the similar to the ASIANPAY situation, who incidentally will all be locked up in the very near future!

THAILAND GOLD EXCHANGE, FRAUD, Thailand Gold Exchange, Scam, Fraud AsianPay.

Check this link out below to see the truth!

http://kanitamo.com/carlossorioasianpaychiangmaihostingstoleourmoney.html 

Many thanks for your email’s regarding Carlo Sorio, Joey Wellington, Corrado Prever, Supattra Charoenku, Juthamaht Tongsa and co partners, thieves, fraud and fellow scamsters,

Carlo &amp; AsianPay are currently under investigation by the Chiang Mai police in the province of Hang Dong district, we have already filed a report against them but the local police are finding it difficult understanding the nature of the crimes committed, but they have said that if ENOUGH people come forward and complain they will bring in the Thai DSI - a branch of the police dealing with fraud. The Thai Government Office of Consumer Protection.

We contacted the DSI ourselves and they also said the same, that if enough people complain they will go in with full force and close the whole of the operation. They also said their was a new law passed last year which enables them to just walk into AsianPays office and seize computers etc without having to wait for a long drawn out court appearance’s involving lawyers etc …

We suggest the first step you take is to telephone the local police station in Hang Dong, the more they keep hearing the name AsianPay the better, this would be best being done by a Thai wife, husband or friend. Even though their response will be that you should come down to Chiang Mai to personally file the report it all still helps for them suddenly having enough of hearing the name AsianPay and going in full force with warrants for arrest with further police that have knowledge of internet fraud / crime.

The telephone numbers for the police at Hang Dong are;

053 – 441802
053 – 441800
053 - 441801

After scouring the internet I can not believe how many people are now posting complaints on them, please let us know if we are allowed to publish your complaint on our web site and how private you wish it to be?

Key web sites / forums which may be of interest to you found at present are;

http://kanitamo.com/carlossorioasianpaychiangmaihostingstoleourmoney.html 

Please if you have time post on this forum and share your experiences and spread the word so the vermin will be quickly destroyed by their own actions, if you are aware of any other forum, web site’s or people that have been scammed by this scum please let us know?

With best regards

AsianPay FRAUD Investigation….</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All sounds the similar to the ASIANPAY situation, who incidentally will all be locked up in the very near future!</p>
<p>THAILAND GOLD EXCHANGE, FRAUD, Thailand Gold Exchange, Scam, Fraud AsianPay.</p>
<p>Check this link out below to see the truth!</p>
<p><a href="http://kanitamo.com/carlossorioasianpaychiangmaihostingstoleourmoney.html" rel="nofollow">http://kanitamo.com/carlossorioasianpaychiangmaihostingstoleourmoney.html</a> </p>
<p>Many thanks for your email’s regarding Carlo Sorio, Joey Wellington, Corrado Prever, Supattra Charoenku, Juthamaht Tongsa and co partners, thieves, fraud and fellow scamsters,</p>
<p>Carlo &amp; AsianPay are currently under investigation by the Chiang Mai police in the province of Hang Dong district, we have already filed a report against them but the local police are finding it difficult understanding the nature of the crimes committed, but they have said that if ENOUGH people come forward and complain they will bring in the Thai DSI &#8211; a branch of the police dealing with fraud. The Thai Government Office of Consumer Protection.</p>
<p>We contacted the DSI ourselves and they also said the same, that if enough people complain they will go in with full force and close the whole of the operation. They also said their was a new law passed last year which enables them to just walk into AsianPays office and seize computers etc without having to wait for a long drawn out court appearance’s involving lawyers etc …</p>
<p>We suggest the first step you take is to telephone the local police station in Hang Dong, the more they keep hearing the name AsianPay the better, this would be best being done by a Thai wife, husband or friend. Even though their response will be that you should come down to Chiang Mai to personally file the report it all still helps for them suddenly having enough of hearing the name AsianPay and going in full force with warrants for arrest with further police that have knowledge of internet fraud / crime.</p>
<p>The telephone numbers for the police at Hang Dong are;</p>
<p>053 – 441802<br />
053 – 441800<br />
053 &#8211; 441801</p>
<p>After scouring the internet I can not believe how many people are now posting complaints on them, please let us know if we are allowed to publish your complaint on our web site and how private you wish it to be?</p>
<p>Key web sites / forums which may be of interest to you found at present are;</p>
<p><a href="http://kanitamo.com/carlossorioasianpaychiangmaihostingstoleourmoney.html" rel="nofollow">http://kanitamo.com/carlossorioasianpaychiangmaihostingstoleourmoney.html</a> </p>
<p>Please if you have time post on this forum and share your experiences and spread the word so the vermin will be quickly destroyed by their own actions, if you are aware of any other forum, web site’s or people that have been scammed by this scum please let us know?</p>
<p>With best regards</p>
<p>AsianPay FRAUD Investigation….</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Schaerer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Schaerer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark,

I was the one receiving the e-mail from Mr. Spertus. I inquired about his site of the story for a large group of e-bullion account holders, since our group flooded the FBI&#039;s as well as the DA&#039;s emails and phones, trying to get some answers from them. But they didn&#039;t. I got the answer from Mr. Spertus, and posted it in the Standard.
I have studied how both companies intervine and compliment each other, and have found it fascinating and very well thought out and organized. My conclusion is that Mr. Fayed really doesn&#039;t need a money transmitting license, as neither e-bullion nor Goldfingercoin are a money transmitting business. Goldfingercoin sells and buys, gold and silver as well as stores it. To buy gold you can open an account in e-bullion, and buy gold or silver. Goldfingercoin has an account in e-bullion, so you wire transfer funds to Goldfingercoins bank account at Bank of America and they transfer the funds to the Goldfingercoins e-bullion account, from there it is transferred internaly to the e-bullion account holder who wired the money. So basicaly by wiring the funds to Goldfingercoin you bought gold. And if you want money out of your e-bullion account, you enter a withdraw request and the funds are withdrawn to the Goldfingercoin e-bullion account, then they sell gold and sent the money to the e-bullions account holder either per check or wire transfer. So e-bullion only transfers funds insight of e-bullion between e-bullion account holders, but never sends money or transmits money outsight of e-bullion. Goldfingercoin is a Delaware US company who sells and buys gold as well as stores it, so they do not need a license. E-bullion is a Panama company who doesn&#039;t transmitt any funds at all. But one company without the other can not live.

Well this is my opinion.

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>I was the one receiving the e-mail from Mr. Spertus. I inquired about his site of the story for a large group of e-bullion account holders, since our group flooded the FBI&#8217;s as well as the DA&#8217;s emails and phones, trying to get some answers from them. But they didn&#8217;t. I got the answer from Mr. Spertus, and posted it in the Standard.<br />
I have studied how both companies intervine and compliment each other, and have found it fascinating and very well thought out and organized. My conclusion is that Mr. Fayed really doesn&#8217;t need a money transmitting license, as neither e-bullion nor Goldfingercoin are a money transmitting business. Goldfingercoin sells and buys, gold and silver as well as stores it. To buy gold you can open an account in e-bullion, and buy gold or silver. Goldfingercoin has an account in e-bullion, so you wire transfer funds to Goldfingercoins bank account at Bank of America and they transfer the funds to the Goldfingercoins e-bullion account, from there it is transferred internaly to the e-bullion account holder who wired the money. So basicaly by wiring the funds to Goldfingercoin you bought gold. And if you want money out of your e-bullion account, you enter a withdraw request and the funds are withdrawn to the Goldfingercoin e-bullion account, then they sell gold and sent the money to the e-bullions account holder either per check or wire transfer. So e-bullion only transfers funds insight of e-bullion between e-bullion account holders, but never sends money or transmits money outsight of e-bullion. Goldfingercoin is a Delaware US company who sells and buys gold as well as stores it, so they do not need a license. E-bullion is a Panama company who doesn&#8217;t transmitt any funds at all. But one company without the other can not live.</p>
<p>Well this is my opinion.</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is from e-bullion&#039;s lawyers. Reads like an old e-gold or Liberty Dollar letter.

Dear Mr. ......

Thank you for your inquiry. This is a very frustrating situation for account holders and the company, and we will work hard to resolve this matter over the coming weeks or months. The short story is that the government has made an allegation that the business operated without registering, and under that misguided belief that the business was required to register with FINCEN, the government seized all of the bank accounts, gold and silver that backed the e-Bullion credit accounts. The government further seized all records and access devices needed to operate the company, and effectively shut the business down. Under the facts of this case, e-Bullion did not need to register and, ultimately, the government will realize that fact. I am hopeful that the government will soon dismiss the company from the indictment because the company did nothing wrong. On Monday the company was arraigned and a district court judge was assigned to the case. We will soon be able to move the court for an order to return the seized property, but this whole process will take time. Every motion takes a month to be heard, and the court system is slow and cumbersome. We are working hard to convince the government that the company did not need to register, and that the government is misunderstanding the business. Once the government realizes this, it will have to return all seized assets and we will be able to distribute the assets to the account holders. Thank you for your patience.

Regards,
James W. Spertus
Law Offices of James Spertus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is from e-bullion&#8217;s lawyers. Reads like an old e-gold or Liberty Dollar letter.</p>
<p>Dear Mr. &#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Thank you for your inquiry. This is a very frustrating situation for account holders and the company, and we will work hard to resolve this matter over the coming weeks or months. The short story is that the government has made an allegation that the business operated without registering, and under that misguided belief that the business was required to register with FINCEN, the government seized all of the bank accounts, gold and silver that backed the e-Bullion credit accounts. The government further seized all records and access devices needed to operate the company, and effectively shut the business down. Under the facts of this case, e-Bullion did not need to register and, ultimately, the government will realize that fact. I am hopeful that the government will soon dismiss the company from the indictment because the company did nothing wrong. On Monday the company was arraigned and a district court judge was assigned to the case. We will soon be able to move the court for an order to return the seized property, but this whole process will take time. Every motion takes a month to be heard, and the court system is slow and cumbersome. We are working hard to convince the government that the company did not need to register, and that the government is misunderstanding the business. Once the government realizes this, it will have to return all seized assets and we will be able to distribute the assets to the account holders. Thank you for your patience.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
James W. Spertus<br />
Law Offices of James Spertus</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, wish I had better news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, wish I had better news.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work Mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work Mark.</p>
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